Josh Perry (@JoshPerryBMX) is a former pro BMX athlete, holistic brain health coach, keto consultant, and multiple brain tumor survivor. Josh focuses on the power of his story to inspire others to foster new perspectives and take new action in their lives. Providing tools for mental strength, health, manifestation, business, and nutrition, Josh’s story illustrates how challenges come in every shape and size, but emphasizes that happy and successful people use the same mental tools to get them there, regardless of their past or current tribulations.
Join Josh on JoshPerryBMX.com, follow him on Instagram (@JoshPerryBMX), and listen to his new podcast "The Grey Matters."
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Jordan Paris:
[1:44] My guest today is Josh Perry.
Josh is a former pro BMX athlete, holistic brain health coach. Keto consultant, and multiple brain tumor survivor.
Josh focuses on the power of his story to inspire others to foster new perspectives and take new action in their lives, providing tools from mental strength, health manifestation, business and nutrition.
Josh's story illustrates how challenges come in every shape and size, but emphasizes that happy and successful people use the same mental tools to get them there regardless of their past or current tribulations.
Josh Perry, Welcome to the podcast.
Josh Perry:
[2:24] Appreciate you having me on.
Jordan Paris:
[2:25] So before we get into it, I want to make sure people can find you. The listeners confined you if they hear something and they get curious.
Josh parry bmx dot com is your website and then @JoshPerryBMX is your instagram, correct?
Josh Perry:
[2:40] Every social media that's out there, that I'm on, JoshPerryBMX.
Jordan Paris:
[2:44] Perfect. So, Josh, I gotta know. I'm watching you do these all these tricks on the bike on.
You know, a ll these BMX tricks, and it's pretty insane. How did you get so good at doing that?
Josh Perry:
[2:59] Just like anything else. It's lots of practice, lots of falling and getting up trying again and just reverse engineering the path to success.
And just I think the biggest pieces that desire Thio win or to succeed at what I was doing is what's kept me going and allowed me to progress. Otherwise, I wasn't having fun. I didn't have that desire probably given up Day one.
Jordan Paris:
[3:20] What attracted you to be a max instead of like, you know, football or baseball or something like that?
Josh Perry:
[3:27] I mean, I grew up playing, like ever since little T ball on my Gun in the Little League and then start playing basketball middle school in high school, actually so forth great at playing basketball.
So I was already familiar with force. My dad plays every sport possible, whether it's flag football.
I was bowling at a young age as well, like just like everything, and then got enrolled waiting in skateboarding around 11 or 12 but had been on a bike since about four years old train wheels came off.
I'm just cruising the neighborhood, so getting the skate parks and like it's being exposed to that and then seeing that bike's could get on the same ramps and then seeing X games. And then I was just like, Oh, like Alex cooler.
I'm already riding a bike to my friend's house and around the neighborhood, and you can drive him in the woods. You can ride whatever service you want to know more about little rocks, hitting your old way or skateboard wheelsand going flying.
So it's like I saw it for the first time and I was like, Man, think I want to do that.
You had a bike. So they're messing around and get it, Jewel, bmx bike later on.
Jordan Paris:
[4:26] Well, somewhere along the way it gets serious. When did you realize you could go pro?
Josh Perry:
[4:31] So just like any other sport competitions natural Just I mean any aspect of life like you want to get better, you want progress, you wanna challenge yourself.
And so I just started entering, you know, beginner contests when I was, like, 13 or so when I first started riding BMX, like legit,
and just going from there is, you know, going through the stages and amateur and work my way up and then, uh, one a couple amateur contests in the region of the Northeast, and then the next year,
I had to ride pro because I won some of those bigger amateur contests.
And so it's just pushed to that professional was excited.
I was about 17 my first pro contest, and you just kept going from there.
Jordan Paris:
[5:09] So you finish high school, but you're you're set. You're pro like you're a probie. Next athlete, you must been the coolest kid in school.
Josh Perry:
[5:16] Well, actually dropped out, uh, s So I think we got expelled my senior year because I missed the 1st 2 months of school because I was just doing my thing traveling. And I've been working since sophomore year. So much atechnical high school.
So I got to the point mid software year where, if my I think you have to have a beer higher, you could go with the co op program toe work.
Two weeks, academics. Two weeks I did that was in my mind, less school, make more money and then travel more to compete and go on road trips.
And then the summer came, and that's when our biggest season for competitions are. And my boss gave an ultimatum to pick between work and BMX, and I was like, All right, there's no brainer.
So I just was gone all summer. And then my mom got a letter in the mail saying, I'm Mr May Days. I was welcome back the following year, but show. So I went back home to visit.
She actually sign me out of school, and I kind of indirectly moved to North Carolina, where already was hanging out to train with all the pros and just kept going from there.
Jordan Paris:
[6:13] Isn't there a considerable risk? I mean, we talked about Oh, I often talk to people who didn't go to college or graduate college dropping out of high school. Did you just get G D? Okay, Got you. But, like.
Josh Perry:
[6:23] Yeah, four years later. That took me six months. Because the contest, like I decided to do it when the college travel season was coming outside of keep reschedule tests and things like that.
Jordan Paris:
[6:34] Well, if BMX did not work out, like, was that was that a thought? Like what if this whole being next thing doesn't work out? What am I gonna do?
Josh Perry:
[6:41] Yeah. I mean, there was always there, but I was so singular minded back then. I mean, I was 17 years old, so I was just like, man, I have an opportunity there. I would David, you're on the other top professionals in the worldand travel the world competing, doing what I love.
But what if it doesn't work out? And in my mind, I had already been getting I was already working, making really good money landscaping on Cape Cod and the friend of the family who was working for He trained all those guys,you know, over the course of a couple of years to go on and start their own business.
So already had that entrepreneurial mindset going. And I love landscaping. I just love me outside, like my my perspective of taking something and changing into something new and better from where it was like improving it.
I just love the work in my hands and just being active, and you know. So I was driving my own 16 foot trailer with the mowers and doing my own thing on my own for my boss.
And so I always had the back of my head. Well, I can always go to school later on if I want, but my plan was just to finish high school and start my own landscaping business when I learned more and got you know that point or Icould just work.
And in my mind, I was so set on just working a minimum wage job like worst case scenario. Just paying the bills and go from there.
[7:48] And then throughout the course of my journey and learning from, you know, people like Dave Mirra and like this financial mind set and then getting in my own,
personal growth and development journey through all the different things, I've gone through injuries and disease and, you know, things like that,
started opening my mind, the possibilities of more for my life rather than what I was settling for based on my subconscious conditioning, if you will.
But it was always like in my mind, like what if this doesn't work out?
But then the majority of time I was like, Well, no, let's just This is do this. It's working now So let's just enjoy it and have fun.
Like I said, I was a kid, you know? So I was just doing my thing and not really worried about it.
Jordan Paris:
[8:28] Well, it does end up working out pretty well for you in BMX. Until I mean, how many years in are you when you discover the brain tumor?
Josh Perry:
[8:39] So I had just turned 21 in November to that? Yeah.
Jordan Paris:
[8:43] So my age, it's like if I woke up today and like, Oh, I got a brain tumor, so I can only imagine.
Josh Perry:
[8:51] Yeah, it was March 2010. So I was just turned 21 a couple months prior.
My first year, right? X games, traveling internationally the year prior with my first contest,
Acquiring sponsors, you know, do it like literally living my dream and some But then a couple months into 2010 is when a, uh, crash where I hit my head, get knocked out.
How to get a m r. I revealed on accident this brain tumor. And that was after a year of, you know, suffering through migraines, vomiting, losing my vision on and off and asking for a scan.
And literally every time they'd say, You know, I wouldn't say no.
I don't have a primary of the time. Someone still don't people that Sam crazy, but we'll talk about that later.
But the same urgent care in my neighborhood every time.
And they kept saying, No, you don't need a scan Like I was asking for X rays cat scans and write something toe Look Att My brain like now you don't need it. You're in shape. Professional athlete. You're young you haveheadaches. It's normal in this country.
Here is some pain pills come back anymore. Like that was the routine every time.
And I never took them that my body doesn't settle well with them. So much younger.
I had experienced throwing up, which I was tribute to the aspirin I took what? It was actually a flu. I had, but I always had that mindset like, No, I'm not gonna take these. I don't want to throw up.
You know, the last time I went in just before the end of 2009 I actually took the purpose. That's a gave me and I projectile vomited in the car on the way home. Think that was driving.
[10:16] That was a traumatic experience. Like seeing all this blood come out inside the road. But they're telling me I'm fine. And I literally think I'm dying, but ah, yeah.
So fast forward march. You know, trying this new trick outside of the foam pit, which for those that are no foam pits, just we stole it from gymnastics, built a ramp into a box full of foam blocks safely try tricks and I'll start on thereal ramp and I over rotated.
The trick fell on my side, hit my head, and now I had to get M. R. I.
And luckily I did because if I don't hit my head, I'd be dead today because they found an eight centimeter long by four wide for deep tumor pushing into my brain from the meninges.
Later my skull, which summed up all the suffering I've been going through for the year, year and 1/2 and we don't know how long have been in there based on the size of it.
But I'm super grateful for that crash because it found out what was going on in my surgeon's set out of the month or two to live based on the size of it and what I was experiencing.
Jordan Paris:
[11:06] I mean, this is probably just theory, but how much longer did the clock say before? If you didn't discover that if the crash didn't have.
Josh Perry:
[11:14] So yeah, like Dr Freedman said about a month or two, he estimated, Um, so yeah, he said, You know what? It is taken over like everything would start like I was already losing it.
Jordan Paris:
[11:19] You would have died in a month or two.
Josh Perry:
[11:24] At that point, I couldn't ride anymore because it was just getting a point where I couldn't see my own hand in front of my face without seeing, like 20 of them.
And then, like, you know, you wake up some mornings and let your eyes or comic Foggy is a way to put it. You rub your eyes and I'm like Whatever. And then let's go. It's clear now.
That was all day for like, days at a time, But I went to the eye doctor.
They're like, No, your vision's fine. I'm like, Well, clearly it's Knox I can't see,
And no one ever thought says Check like, scan my brain for a brain tumor like I mean, typically, you don't It's not like that common, and but now I'm learning that more and more people are finding tumors just by regular MRI'sfor something else. Look out Shit.
Didn't know I had a brain tumor. It's like, Yeah, pretty. It's becoming more common.
I guess it's like it's not. But it's like once you become aware of this thing, just like anything else, your subconscious is like like we're finding more more examples.
But yeah, I don't know, like, I mean, they can say estimated, like, a month, two months.
But it probably would have been, you know, maybe a couple months,
before going through more and more suffering to where I wouldn't have woken up one day just because when they got in through the surgery had wrapped itself around the artery and my optic nerve, which that was showing whyI was having so many vision problems and pain problems.
But then the artery, you know, it was just a matter of time before just, you know, may have burst it or just shut it off or for something. So.
Jordan Paris:
[12:40] What was the plan of action? The treatment?
Josh Perry:
[12:43] So the doctor diagnosed me. He was like, Yeah, we don't know if it's cancer. It's overnight. This time you'll probably never ride a bike again. But if you want to start living out that surgery immediately.
So Dr Freedman and Duke University think this is an hour and 1/2 east of him.
He, uh, he was like, Yeah, no worries. We'll get it out. And he actually change the schedule around to get me in about a week and have two weeks after the diagnosis. Because it is that severe, which I thought was really profound.Like it was that bad.
He moved other patients out of the way to get me in sooner.
So I was like a two week transition from diagnosis surgery.
And they were supposed to four hours, four and 1/2 hours took six because of the optic nerve artery complication they had and they couldn't risk hitting iron them because I kept stroke bleed out, compare allies list goes on or justdie raid that in there. So they take their time.
Um, even more so than actual brain surgery. So, um, yeah, it was It was pretty, is pretty surreal. Happened pretty quick and then woke up 75 Staple 16 stitches and went home two days later.
Back my bike in five weeks as pretty insane.
Jordan Paris:
[13:42] What's your frame of mind? I mean, I was just thinking about this how last night how I would be.
And again, I can only imagine what your frame of mind like minutes before knowing that they're about to split your head open and just go play around inside of there and remove stuff.
And like, I think I'd be freaking out with anxiety.
Josh Perry:
[14:09] Yeah, I definitely Waas, but I got to a point where, like, midway through that two week process, three things stood out that helped me transition from fear to like.
This is just what I have to do, like any other injury that I've had and still, you know, through multiple diagnosis later today and other injuries, it's like how long it back on my bike, like what I gotta do, like there's no other option,like giving up or giving into fear doesn't make sense to me.
That's in my mind, said that I'm thankful for as any athlete would understand, or anyone that is conscious of business or sports any music like any talent.
That is not just a common day to day thing, like you have to work for it, but it's the mindset that allows that. So, like I just treated everything like an injury like All right, well, what to do? How long till I get back?
It didn't start out that way. Like I said, about a week or so start transitioning and the three things that help that work the BMX community. I made a name for myself worldwide this point, so everyone reached out like, let me knowthat they're thinking about me, that I have their support. I'll be fine, you know?
[15:03] But then my mom's surgery, our story Ballon colon cancer for years and being, you know, alive and well today and then learning about Lance Armstrong story, you know, and like what he went through.
And this was another bike ride. A little different, but same thing to me. He came back, no matter what people's opinion of him were like what he did. You don't You have no idea how that experience is unless you go through it.
And in my mind, he went through brain longer, testicular cancer.
I'm just going through possibly brain cancer or brain benign brain tumor. I don't know yet, but the point. But I was like, Man, this dude had three times worse when I'm going through, and he came back to do like to do what he didat that level, whether he won or lost like, isn't it?
It's insane and like, just understand my journey to get back to like what I was doing.
[15:46] So those three things really help me, and then, you know, it just became like all right? Like, rather than like, what if I don't wake up like, Well, what if I do? I just focusing on what if I do wake up?
What do I want my life to be like? I'm not done living my dream. I'm, like, just fresh into, you know, like I don't It wasn't my rookie year, but it felt that way just because it was like the first contest win.
First time traveling out of America are off the continent nto to begin with TV like all these things coming together. And I was like, just like people actually knew my name. I was like, This is kind of like my rookie year.
I'm not I'm not done like I'm not gonna give up. And then I have these three influence is helping me further solidify that belief.
And so I just kept focusing on, like, what if I wake up, what am I gonna do?
And then now, reading Lance Armstrong's books, he was talking about that you have this whole new motivation to live, and we say we're gonna do this. We're gonna be 100% every day and like that kind of fizzles out you getback to the norm, but like that mindset sticks, sticks with you.
And that's what I love sharing. It's really about, like, feel like freak out. What if I lose my job? What if I can't pay my bills Like, I mean, you know this. Like if you focus on those things, that's what you're trapped.
And But if you focus on what if you were to make, you know, an extra $1000 a month, what would that feel like? What would that look like?
What would it take to make it happen? So I just shifted it from fear to fuel to live my life the way I wanted and not let anything, you know, stop it. I've always been stubborn, so I just brought that in their possible boy. Robin, youknow, uh, not listening to my parents or something.
Jordan Paris:
[17:10] Well, Josh, she did. Obviously we're talking today. You woke up and so you're 21 years old. And what's the plan from there?
Josh Perry:
[17:20] The plan from there was just get back to competing, get back to traveling.
I do my thing. You know, I didn't really think that I don't really have, like, a I'm gonna do this.
I'm gonna do that. Like I just was like, I just want to continue doing what I'm doing, but do it better than I did that I did that for about two years and then, you know, along the way, got introduced the like, holistic health andnutrition and the direct cause and correlation of their lifestyle choices.
And then how we live our lives and overall well being and start making a bunch of changes and, you know, feeling better. But still partying and drinking and things like that, not really cutting out a lot of the jump, just more soadding in things. I didn't really understand what I was learning.
So I thought if I could just add these things in, that'll be That'll offset it.
You know, it's like 1/2 therapy. So then, two years later, routine Marai about in, uh, beginning November, I believe was showed two new massive had grown back on the same side of the brain when the front when the rear.
But Dr Freedman mentioned that it was due the complications of the artery in the optic nerve, and it was not to worry about. I was in India when I found out the news doing demos. I was like doing 20 to come back.
I got to or days left, you know, come back when you're you know you're supposed to, and we'll sort it out. But there's no meat risk right now, but we'll have to talk about options. It's looking like radiation is gonna be the way to gobecause they're so small.
You know about a blueberry size each, like cutting you open again. It's gonna have that same risk, but more because we're going to get all the cells.
So I didn't like radiation again. My stubbornness. I was like, There's gotta be another way. You know, I watched my mom go through that for a while, and it's just terrible.
[18:45] And I found gamma knife radiosurgery, which, despite the name has no surgery. It's noninvasive outpatient basically used computer and radio wave beams, the target where they're gonna treat the area.
[18:57] And the success rates were above 93 95% of the time and I'll submit this.
That seems sweet. He'll get back to work the next day. And so I decided to go near my family Massachusetts at Tufts Medical Center in Boston.
How the procedure done. They basically is out the two tumors.
[19:11] It was, uh, I was back in my mic in, like, six days, seven days. I just wanted to make sure I don't have any side effects, which we didn't.
But for four years, those two tumor shrunk and have been stable ever since last 32 or three years now.
So they've just been a kind of, like, I say, just chilling, just doing their thing, this hanging out. And it's funny to things when everyone said Anyone comes to me about tumors, especially like my tumor I'm like, First of all, wecould change the language. It's not mine.
The unless you want that to be a part of you. Like, have you read thinking Grow rich.
Jordan Paris:
[19:43] Oh, of course, it's I've got several copies. There's one. There's one there. There's Yeah, an audiobook Terror. I got seven Auto suggestion, yes.
Josh Perry:
[19:49] Suggestion was that yeah, and subconscious believes in program like Dr Joe spends.
Like he's real big on that, too. Like like no, like you gotta change your language cause super powerful, Even though you don't think you're giving energy to it, You are. So first things first is it's not my eyes. The anything.
My anxiety is huge. It's like, No, like that just solidifies it.
So that's that's one thing. And then someone asked me like, Did you ever name them?
And I was like that No one's ever asked me that. That's a great question, but no, because of the versus my language of super powerful. So I just a lot always love to share that, cause it's like it's undesirable. Like, Why would youwant to give it power over? You are a part of you? Doesn't make sense.
So that's just, um, something I love sharing, but yeah, I think they shrunk them for about four years, and I've been chilling ever since.
Jordan Paris:
[20:37] What is this? Gamma knife. Radio surgery. Is that what it's called?
Josh Perry:
[20:42] Yeah, so it's radiosurgery rare treatment, radiotherapy. But it's this gamma knife. So, uh, uh What? Google. Yeah, I just.
Jordan Paris:
[20:46] Huh? How'd you find this?
[20:51] I thought you just You're just desperate not to radiation.
Josh Perry:
[20:55] Yeah, and I asked Dr Freedman about it, and I learned that Duke doesn't have a game Life machine there. It's a different hospitals have different technologies. And he was again. That's a great technology, for sure.
Yeah, I approve of that. And I was like, Why don't you tell me about that now? I know because Duke doesn't offer one, so it's like it makes sense.
Um, especially cause I went toe Boston. Two different medical center, But the I just Google it, man, it's gonna be a better way.
So start looking up alternative radiation therapies like that. This was seven years ago, so I'm not really sure what I was going. I just remember radiation alternative, and it popped up, and I just get really attracted to it. Learned alot about it. I was like, All right, this is what I'm gonna do.
Jordan Paris:
[21:33] I wanna go on a quick highlight, subtle note here that just because you mean you dropped out of high school, you got a G e d Didn't don't have a college degree. Like, doesn't mean you didn't go toe.
You didn't actually get a formal education. But you doesn't mean we're not a learner, right? Like you. It seems like you love learning. Is that right?
Josh Perry:
[21:53] The 100%. I mean, that's what Joe Rogan did a piece. Ah, while ago one of its cuts from his podcast. That helped me a lot about 2000 12,013 about, um, the society trap.
And it's like I see this with my friends all the time. It's like, yeah, like you go to college, get in debt, you get married, you get a house, you get a car payment, you have kids and then your miserable.
It's like people will love it. Some people are happy they're successful at it, but some people do it because that's what they think they're supposed to.
Because society says that we're the parents are like This is the way to do it and it's this is not And unless you want it to be, and so I become a big believer. It's like you don't have, like, I've learned more in one week. You freelyKerwin Ray.
[22:34] So he's like people refer to him is like This is doing him it just justice with the Australian version of Gary V. And they happen to be friends too.
But I just went to his three day event out in Sydney. Mother to ago.
I learned more about business in those three days and they say it too.
He had on his financial advisor, teacher on used to work for Jordan Belfort like like like people like that and they say, like you're gonna learn more here this weekend, then you will in a four year degree in business just doesn'tmake sense.
But all the things like whether it's a cute drink diet. It's personal growth and development.
It's the subconscious and the brain health. It's finally, I've learned so much on my own by searching for it and then finding people, then I would have if I'd gone down the traditional score out.
But not to knock that, you know, like my girlfriend's athletic training. She had to get licensed through, you know, a credited college degree and all that stuff.
But she learns more about other things she's passionate about, that schools don't provide because a lot of them go against standard care in the funding aspect that's there.
And I've learned so much about that and like why I got run through the system the way I did and just we have a pain pill problem in this country. But here's some pain pills.
It's like because healthy food doesn't make money to this system.
Jordan Paris:
[23:47] Well, this is what we This is what Levin, Jane and I talked about very recently, that there's no profit in good health and that the pharmaceutical companies, I mean first of all, the doctors, there's 44% of all doctors havereceived any education, nutrition.
My father's a general surgeon. My mother's in there. So I have two uncles, their doctors as well.
Like I look, I I understand this, this industry, and so we're kind of taught to prescribe these pills and treat like the symptoms rather than the root cause.
I mean, it's not there, fought most of them, don't know any better.
And there's a lot of kickbacks. And so the pharmaceutical companies see you as a subscriber like their job is not to is to keep you on,
the medication right, And these these medications cause symptoms, and their these symptoms were treated with more medication.
And all of a sudden you're popping mill more pills and blueberries and spinach, and it's like, uh, that's a problem, and they're making a lot of money, and you're getting your sick and suffering so and then also to.
[24:53] With the default path that you know we're so in the same wavelength here, Josh.
In my experience, the way I see it is you just think for yourself like, don't don't do something just because you think you're supposed to do you think you should? I don't like that word should think for himself.
Like what? What do I want here? Okay, if you want to be an entrepreneur, I don't really see school for you.
I just don't If you want to get a job right working maybe in an office, A stable, secure job where you don't have to worry about as much were you, You know, as an entrepreneur has to worry about, then.
Yeah. I totally see school in your future. And I think that you should go. You kind of need it to get that job.
So I think there are things to think about here. It's on case by case basis, your tumors a case So they come back right and than event. And so they're shrinking.
Josh Perry:
[25:50] Oh, yeah. Context is everything.
Jordan Paris:
[25:58] Did they come back? Do they ever come back 1/3 time? O r. No.
Josh Perry:
[26:01] Those two didn't. But I should give some contacts before the third diagnosis. So gamma knife was 2012.
November 2. Those two troopers that came back from the original tumor, they shrunk.
There was chilling. Now, next year, read a book called Grain Brain by Dr David Promoter Got interviews? Yep.
Jordan Paris:
[26:19] Oh, it's right here. Yeah.
Josh Perry:
[26:21] It's all that. I got interview secure drink, diet. Then, uh, didn't really understand the whole testing. Your blood macro nutrient breakdown of it. And to be fair, I don't know if he put that in there. I'm gonna check it out again.
But I got this this huge understanding of cutting out grains, alcohol, processed foods, high fat, low carb and I adopted that.
Now I only say I've been Keogh genic for a little over two years.
Actually, when I was testing my blood, I never did. The urine strips, Thankfully, never got mixed up with all that confusion, which is a huge miss connection or misinformation.
People, they don't understand the transition of that. But I went straight to blood and so I probably the way was training and riding and eating and fasting.
I probably was in and out of, you know, ketosis back then, but I only say, I know for sure because I was testing a lie flat last two years, but that introduced me to Q drink diet.
And so all the holistic health and nutrition pieces I was learning up to that point for three years made so much sense when he said, You know, we talked about the correlation in the direct cause of chronic high levels of blood sugaraffecting your brain and the Doctor Day.
Lehman's work showing in the medical imaging, which I went through a spect image with him back in May with Dr Ryan, Larry him and I started some ketogenic spect imaging research together, but learning how symptoms ofAlzheimer's and dementia start 30 to 4 years.
[27:43] Symptoms begin after Alzheimer's dementia actually presents itself in the brain 30 to 40 years so that you can have a symptom show up later down the road. But it's actually developing.
And so I put Dr Ayman doctor programmers work together, and I was like, Man like this happened in the Dr Mark Hyman.
You know, like, I expose all these people talking about blood sugar, and I was like, Damn! Like I don't even know what my blood sugar is. I never thought the time tested.
I didn't know that you could, uh, was proved. Probably people should know that as a fundamental aspect of, like, health class in high school.
But, uh, I was like, Man, like this makes so much sense. I started adding in all these healthy fats, cutting out grains, said processed foods and went through trialled period where I was scared of anything that turned a glucose.
So I was like not eating anything. I lost 20 pounds. My friends, I'd like Dude, you're sick. You gotta eat.
That was about 2014 and then just moving through the years just learning more about this.
But then the third diagnosis came along another routine and Mariah in February 2 of 17 two New Masses that popped up on the other side of my brain and they mentioned that they thought the biopsies required, which is I'm notgonna do.
That's pointless Biopsies required to tell if it's a genetic disorder that they think I have called neurofibromatosis is.
[28:55] And I remember thinking, man like I remember learning about you know, every genetics and key tones have a profound epigenetic effect on the body and that we're learning more about how they're not just an energysource or actually a signaling molecule in the body.
And it's up to 70% of our genes could be expressed one way or another.
That's a fox like That's so interesting. Like, let me do this So I actually start Testament blood, but cute drink Bible by my good friend Dr Ryan. Larry saw Dr Dom speak on Joe Rogan's podcast just devoured anything I couldabout the cute drink diet.
And although they say they're benign tumors, I live with the epi genetic factor. Didn't didn't have been meaning to me about, you know, being banana.
[29:34] This this has to work. If it doesn't, I have gamma knife in my back pocket. I'm now working with the company to represent gamma Knife. My story. So it's like this mind set piece too is being built like this belief that I'mgoing to succeed this whole time was coming with me.
And so after a year of the ketogenic diet, no meds, no surgery, no treatment whatsoever. Just lifestyle change, no progression of any of the tumors.
And then this February's two years, same thing.
And now I'm involved with HQ eugenic researchers research ourselves together and then showing this message more. But along this two year journey, I've become more confident sharing because I had a disbelief that I knewenough to share.
But now that I think I know I don't know enough, that's why I work with PhDs researchers. I do all that, but I can share my experience, which is, I think, more profound on why I see or they see so much value collaborate togetheris because it's not just about research.
People not necessarily care about research. They care about how you and I are affected and subjectively as well. So yeah.
After third diagnosis, I'm still to your strong nomads inserting a treatment just huge and die and examine this key tos.
Jordan Paris:
[30:40] Uh, all these doctors that you're mentioning. I'm a huge fan. Of course. Dr Hyman is at the pinnacle for me. I.
Josh Perry:
[30:49] You wanna have it connected with you? I just did a Popsicle, Doctor Ayman the other week. And Dr Perlmutter and I actually get the meat this February. But I say I can connect you with either one of them. Let me knowthat.
Jordan Paris:
[31:00] Yeah. You know what's interesting, Josh? Dr. Perlmutter, I'm I live in Fort Myers.
I think Dr Perlmutter lives the town over in Naples.
Josh Perry:
[31:08] Yeah. Yeah, I got maples.
Jordan Paris:
[31:08] I could be wrong, but it seems like a divine connection.
So I have to talk about that off the air, because I got the book right here, But and Dr Emmons?
Ah, fantastic is why I highly recommend that people who are listening to this follow these brilliant doctors A cz. Well, I think they're doing it the right way.
So I want to highlight here, too, that you have this problem and you go out and solve it by learning everything you can all about these subjects in adjacent subjects.
And it's I can relate to you in that I have the problem of just not knowing how to talk to people a little over a year and 1/2 ago now, for it was the entirety of my life. And I just didn't.
I was a socially awkward person. Now I'm a recovering, awkward person as Vanessa and Edwards, my hero would say, but I sought out The resource is from people who ought to know, like Vanessa Van Edwards and Jordan.
Harbinger and I listened to all their interviews and I read Jordan Harbinger doesn't have a book, but Red Vanessa's book I I just recently got her on the podcast.
Jordan's coming on the podcast next month. And so I went on this and I talked to all the communication people on this show, and I So I went on this journey of of.
[32:28] Communication and solving this problem much the way you did you sought out resource is from and knowledge from people who ought to know people that have been there and done that.
And I have been practicing pack practitioners can't say that word, but I really admire that Rather than.
[32:48] Just sitting back and on slaying in bed and crying like I did not just sit in bed and cried, I did that and then I went,
It's not about the resource is and it's okay to it's okay to cry and let it out, but then don't just do nothing about it. You agree? There.
Josh Perry:
[33:07] Yeah, 100%. I mean, that sums up one of the three of my core principles I live by and share, and that's a reality is manifestation of our choices.
And literally, when things like that happen, I believe we have two choices. The choice of survivorship where the choice of victim Bill, I call it. And so it's like you can play the victim card.
So why? I mean, this is tough and like, find reasons to satisfy your ego, to play small and to keep you right.
[33:29] But would you rather be not necessarily wrong? We'd rather be challenged to go the survivor out Thio succeed at what you want and to obtain what you want me in your life.
And it's just a different perspective. And it's like we all have that choice.
Like, no matter what we're living with, or in what environment living and we have a choice of perspective, we can see the world one way or another, and people like us and I believe everyone has this choice. It's just a matter ofbelieving it and exercising it.
We can choose a survivor out, which is the challenge. You know, our beliefs and status quo and the reality we live in and seek out ways to make it happen.
Gary V says It best is like you know, he has two ways he puts it is like, you know, I'm like, a big believer of like, seeing or like learning what people are looking for because I believe you're gonna find what you look for.
But then also, if anyone that ever looked like yourself did something you want to do, you have a blueprint and you're able to do it the same way.
You're able to do the similar thing, and that's that. It's good that simple. It's not easy, it's hard, but we make it harder as humans. I believe so for you to seek out howto have better communication skills.
You went one route and now you're succeeding at it. And for me, like, how can I empower myself to live healthier, happier, more successful?
[34:38] I have still doing the same thing. I think that's the difference is not just a man like this is lying in bed. That's easy.
[34:48] But like I said to the survivor outburst victim Bill, I think they take the same on energy by argue victim Bill takes more because of further down that road. Ugo, the choice is the same.
But the further at one choice you take and the route you go with that you're gonna have to work harder.
It's gonna be longer. It's more sacrifice. When you could just put the work in now and get over that comfortable spot and then you'll be seeing success like the both of us are.
Jordan Paris:
[35:11] Well, I think it's initially Ah, lot easier to take the victim hood, right?
I think it's almost a natural tendency and toe Wanna craft this dramatic narrative around. I have a natural tendency to craft a dramatic narrative towards victim, and I got to combat it at every turn.
But as you go along, it doesn't ease up.
It only gets a little bit harder. And it's like the difference between frontloaded stress and backloaded stress.
You can front loaded stress. You could do the easy things today and you could do the hard things today and your life will be easy tomorrow. See, I haven't talked about this in a while.
Backloaded stress. You can do the easy things today like be a victim and your life will consequently be hard tomorrow.
I think that's the difference year. If you take the the survivor route, you take the empowered non victim route like I'm gonna take responsibility for this.
I think it's very hard at first, but what? But it only gets easier, right.
Josh Perry:
[36:12] Yes. So are you familiar with CrossFit? Like Matt Fraser?
Jordan Paris:
[36:15] Court not Matt Fraser about crossfit. Yeah.
Josh Perry:
[36:17] S O Mat Fraser is that he's like the elite of the elite in men's like he's like the champion after champion, like year after year.
But he has a great quote that he's like, I'm I'm willing to do what others won't today, so I can do others can't tomorrow.
And I think if you can think about that and think about the immediate sacrifice to have more fulfillment later down the road, it's It's just a no brainer.
But it's uncomfortable. Our subconscious mind. Our ego is gonna want to protect us from the unknown, the scary that we put on ourselves,
and keep us playing small because that feeds in the addictions of these emotions that we have and all these things and it keeps us were really were comfortable.
And then we find other people to talk about it with allow us to stay in that space, enable us and it's like once you break that and you on it like What do you really want?
And are are your actions aligning what you want? Because, if not, go make some changes and it could be simply, like just go left at your driveway, then, right?
It may take more time to go to work that way or wherever, but it changes the wiring of your brain.
Jordan Paris:
[37:17] You mentioned the ego. I think the ego wants us to be the victim.
Ego doesn't want it to be their fault. Like Oz. Is it because it would be a little bit of cognitive dissonance like, Ah, it's not if it were, if it were my fault.
B cognitive dissonance for that you goes a senator's apart. I never thought about that.
Josh Perry:
[37:38] Accountability man like That's one. The biggest things that's changed my life is taking accountability, like like my favorite thing to shares. Our reality is the literally a manifestation of choices. Dr Joe says.
Your personality crease your personal reality so literally. Everything you think do you say feel believe, is gonna create the life you live it.
That's a hard pill for people swallow, especially type A People that work hard work hard but like, oh, that must be nice.
Like I hate that My dad says that all the time about the life I live with my dad, you realize you made me, and because of my choices, I'm living this life That is fucking nice because I worked my ass off for it.
But you could do that to other people could do the same thing. It's just a matter of that belief.
And so I think it's really interesting to think about accountability.
And why are you afraid to take accountability for life as probably most of time. It's fear and that we split three ways that I believe, fear of judgment, fear, failure and a big one. I went through his fear of success because how arepeople gonna think of me differently if I'm living this life?
And now that I'm associate myself with certain people, I'm making more money and having more success. I'm sharing my truth.
[38:41] I'm not doing it in a kind of sending way. I'm doing the show people the potential.
I'm getting a ton of negative feedback from people in my old community of BMX and other things that are like, Oh, you've changed And like this, this man, it's like, Yeah, have changed. I'm glad because I'm experiencing more.I'm helping more people.
That's my purpose. So I think the accountability pieces everything once people can get over that line of like I accept. My reality is my choice doesn't matter. We're going through give uses all the time we were going through.Someone's going through worse, but they're succeeding.
[39:11] How many story? Nix Honey says last name. Santiago. So there's something that you let him order months ago.
Jordan Paris:
[39:15] Oh, I know he was talking about It isn't have lens, right? He's in a few limbs.
Josh Perry:
[39:19] Do it. Yeah, no legs, like literally an arm with one finger, and he had the other arm chopped off a 13 by decision to live his life a certain way because he wanted wrestle and there was some complication where he had tohave it removed.
What is he doing? If that deal is not having excuses, why does anyone with every limb and finger in tow have an excuse?
You know, like it's a choice, and so I think accountability is everything.
Jordan Paris:
[39:46] Amen. I want to put a bow on the ketogenic lifestyle. Paint me a picture of before and after. Like what you were eating on a good day. What was included at age 20.
Okay. And then And now what are you eating? In a typical day, of course.
I'm well educated on the ketogenic lifestyle, but for the listener, tell.
Josh Perry:
[40:09] So, Ryan, Doctor on Larry and I are gonna do a follow up about this scene Where do some functional memorize before, during and after blood work and all these things, because we're going to do a day in the life 10 yearsago, which for me,
was wake up, hung over whatever time of day it waas, um,
half a box of toasters rules with all the icing on their big glass or two of orange juice.
Possibly a bowl of cereal is well, depending on how hungry I was or how sick I felt from the drinking night before lunch was two boxes Kraft macaroni and cheese and then a foot long sub on the way to ride, um, to your soda.
In between all that throughout the day, Dr. Pepper was my choice. Um, trick.
Jordan Paris:
[40:51] We're literally feeding these tumors.
Josh Perry:
[40:52] Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, and then some Twix mixing in the middle of that dinner was either sushi or yes. I mean, sushi's great or something.
Jordan Paris:
[41:02] I love sushi.
Josh Perry:
[41:06] And then we would go to Sonic Late night and get blizzards, whatever they call it Sunday or something like that.
Some ice cream candy and probably washing down alcohol while we're partying. That night and get whatever shit kind of sleep we get do again and I drive through it all. And yes, that was that today.
Great example. It's now 11 a.m. Eastern time. I haven't eaten yet today.
Normally, I don't do this, but I'm experimenting like a love experimenting with new things and give a couple weeks to adapt and see how body changes.
But today I did. I always try to start with 1/2 teaspoon of, uh, used Redman's real salt water just to rehydrate before I do anything.
This morning I did a normal cup of coffee, but I didn't prove it. Skeeto cream in there, just like it's, um, M, C. T. And some other supplement blends they have mixed in there for Dina. Repair this and that, but they're producingendogenous key tones, meaning your body is producing them.
Did that and then read a little bit.
Talked with my body, who's staying with me for a little bit. Then we went to the gym so semi fast it if you that the fasting police may destroy me for this, but in a fast it's made minus m c t powder. I had my coffee or coffee,general, but then didn't work out.
Still haven't eaten anything yet. Probably won't for another two hours. Um, and then sit on some proven at key tones, which is their examines keeping supplement through my workout with their my complex, which is a best wayto put it, like, upgrade electrolyte.
[42:32] That was during my workout. Just sip on and get that exogenous meaning out outside key tone kind of drip of energy, if you will while working out.
But that's a typical day. And then lunch. We're gonna make a rib eye with some Brussels cooked in some bacon bits and a side salad with avocado, some primal kitchen dressing.
And if I have any pickled okra Earth, Yeah, Provocation. Great. Mark's a great guy.
Jordan Paris:
[42:53] Oh, I love primal.
[42:58] I like the assistance. Ison says Lester.
Josh Perry:
[43:02] Yeah, yeah. Yep. Marxism.
Jordan Paris:
[43:03] Yeah, the What about? I like the honey mustard dressing. You ever had that one?
Josh Perry:
[43:08] Yeah, well, they must have a rancher, my favorite. And then now they got a, um, got a ranch barbecue sauce, which paying what you're making is great. They got their primal catchup mustard, which was all just no sugar.It's great.
Jordan Paris:
[43:18] Yeah, The Oh, my God. The avocado oil Mayo. Oh, man.
Josh Perry:
[43:22] Yep. That's another staple.
Jordan Paris:
[43:24] Uh, garlic. Yeah, I get garlic. A holy I I've tried them all, but that the garlic al is my favorite. I just I I put it on, I put on these.
I don't Have you ever seen these Hillarys veggie burgers that Ah, there.
This is the Onley grain that I have. It's millet because it doesn't have, like, it doesn't have that lectern protein in mill. It does not have that.
Josh Perry:
[43:50] Yeah, I had more buried with my so pretty good.
Jordan Paris:
[43:50] And, of course, like, yeah, what'd you say? Which friend?
Josh Perry:
[43:55] Millet burgers. I've had those in the past.
Jordan Paris:
[43:56] Oh, okay. Yeah. No, I mean, well, it's great because it doesn't have that left in the election. Is, of course, that plant protein that were.
You mean there's, of course, conflicting stuff about it, but not supposed to eat it because it makes you We got tired, right? Yeah, for sure.
Ah, so I have that and I put the avocado oil mayo like I'll cook one side. I'll flip it over.
Put the avocado oil mayo on there and then spring and then put some Himalayan pink salt, some cayenne pepper and maybe some rosemary on there and the garlic. Ailey Mayo just kind of captures it.
And then I flip it over for just about two seconds. And then I cut it into sixth and put it in my salad.
And it's so good. I have that for dinner all the time.
Like like I'm embarrassed to say, how often have it for dinner. So.
Josh Perry:
[44:48] Well, I did the same thing every day. If it wasn't for my girlfriend.
Jordan Paris:
[44:51] Meteo, I eat anything every day, but you escape, so you stray a little bit and you won't be. You guys would go outside.
Josh Perry:
[44:56] Yeah, we got it. We got a deal. She'll cook, and I'll clean. So whatever she wants to make, otherwise I eat the same things, and they always taste good. But I don't really need that variety.
Oh, but you haven't been dinner we're gonna do tonight. He My buddy Brian, wants to make a, uh, kielbasa bacon brussel dish he always makes.
And so it was kind of reusing some ingredients we have today because I'm tonight, I start a prove. It does this once a month.
They call their key to reboot. And it's, ah, 60 hour fast that,
again fastened police probably like this, but it's got two servings of bone broth, two servings of examiners, key tones and one or two servings of their upgrade electrolytes a day.
So you finish your last meal whatever time Sunday you do that the bone broth, the key tones and the, um, the electrolytes day want to use money on Tuesday.
And then the first thing you consume Wednesday coming out of your fast is there kato protein that they make, They infuse it with key tones and M c T powder, um, and actually isolated, losing to be the primary amino acid in it infermented all this.
So it's it's pretty interesting the technology that works. But that's what we're doing tonight.
We're gonna have, ah, local masa mixture that he's gonna make, and then we're gonna start the reboot for the next two days.
So it's just a good way for your system to get a rest and feed it with some college in good stuff like that and then kind of help them on a condo. It's It's focused on mitochondrial health, so it's nice little ribbon once a month.
Jordan Paris:
[46:21] Will it be on Instagram, Josh?
Josh Perry:
[46:23] Um, I just posted some this morning about all the things that are in it, but I'll probably doing some lives some stories about it, but I'm gonna be doing in the prove it. Facebook Group.
I'm their guest coach for this month's reboot.
So the next technically two and 1/2 3 days, all me in their Facebook group, what's a free group and join, you know. But I'll be just answer questions, sharing perspectives with another coach. So.
Jordan Paris:
[46:47] Well, people can find you at Josh Parry. B M. Excellent. All platforms Instagram included.
Josh parry, bmx dot com Josh is there, and I really want people to learn more about this lifestyle and because you're just a great role model for this and I endorse what you're doing.
So where is there anywhere else? That where people can best learn about you.
Josh Perry:
[47:08] Um no, that that the man best learn about me. It's just any any social media.
Just Josh Parry BMX and josh vox dot com. I mean stupid GM on instagram and most active there, and I always try to respond.
At least go through mediums twice a day and see what I can get to you. But as far as Cugini Resource is, I mean, there's plenty of books and websites, but, um, the top Web sites as a ketogenic dot com.
That's that. Try foundation dot or GE and then kato nutrition dot org's.
That's Dr Dom's website. So those are the three great websites to look at and then books.
Grain, brain, ketogenic Bible.
Probably those two to start with that. Be plenty. And then, ah, Doctor Ryan Lowry on Instagram. He's Ryan P. Lowry. He's found a cute drink dot com offer caging Bible.
And then, of course, Dr Promoters Instagram lizard.
Some people I love wearing from and looking up to you and collaborating with. But yeah, it's It's an interesting lifestyle, and that's the main point.
[47:59] The lifestyle for some, Like my buddy Miles, he has no choice.
He will have a seizure come on from starting trigger over if it glucose. It was a certain point.
So we went and he's been seizure free for last couple of months because of Kyu Jin di, and it's on his key tones. So it's a lifestyle you could use a tool you can implement. Lifestyle.
I don't have a problem with seizures.
So you know I may go have a slice of pizza or have a sushi roll once in a while.
But because I've done the metabolic work before, it's all about context. It's just everything's context and perspective driven. So I would just love to give them a shadow just cause they're great. Resource is Dr Dom Dr PerimeterDoctor on Larry.
They're just They helped me tremendously.
And I'll see if we talked about Dr Mark Hyman aim and things like that, but yeah.
Jordan Paris:
[48:45] Well, I have to acknowledge you for highlighting others throughout and giving them some credit.
I think it's very admirable. And I have to thank you for, of course, sharing your message of inspiration and taking action and accountability in manifestation and all.
Everything that we talked about today very valuable message. Josh, do you love Booker? Podcast coming in coming soon.
Josh Perry:
[49:10] Ah so Boulis Let's say so. Book I got this month I'm home actually all month as of now, eh? So I'm gonna try and wrap up writing the book. And then I had to go through the editing process and I pretty sure Mago selfpublished route.
Um but that podcasts my girlfriend I about to release it.
I think next week, maybe the week after or call it the gray matter of podcasts will play on brain words in context, but she's an athletic trainer.
Former Taekwondo Team, USA athlete We met four years ago. It's my athletic trainer walking me through a C l surgery rehab.
In a year and 1/2 later, we started dating. Now we share a life together. So we have a lot of interesting perspectives on life in general and fitness, nutrition, mindset and all.
All things like that. So or about to start sharing that next week or the week after. But then the books just gotta finish writing it.
Jordan Paris:
[50:00] Well, by the time this episode airs, your podcast will be outside again for people.
Josh Perry:
[50:05] The Grey Matters Podcast.
Jordan Paris:
[50:08] Fantastic. Well, Josh, my final question is he could teach a course at the university. Of course. Of your creation or otherwise, what would it be?
Josh Perry:
[50:16] Probably just be focused on that topic of your reality is manifestation of your choices and talk about mindset, nutrition and moving the body count when I do already. So just be that.
Jordan Paris:
[50:28] Josh Perry. You're the man. Thank you very much.
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